Pantheism Is Confused Atheism

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Interesting. I'm enjoying these bits. In this case, I personally would not consider "rationalism" a saving grace -- there's so much of my own experience that seems quite irrational, or at least inexplicable, and those are what really prevent me from a comfortable atheism. A well read philosopher friend of mine described me a "mysterian" and I believe Huston Smith makes reference to this camp as well. People who acknowledge/respect/have inklings of whatever is beyond our "rational" limits of perception/understanding. Knowing that we don't really know what we don't know.
Yeah, I don't really think it's fair for him to call the other group irrational pantheists. Or perhaps there is a third group, that is more panenetheist. Mysticism, for example. This is not irrational because they fully accept reason and it's constraints. The only difference is that they believe in something transcendant and numinous (to borrow from the article). So perhaps the panentheist is what is really closer to Dawkins' brand of atheism, rather than a strictly naturalist, our-reason-is-all-there-is type view.
"attribute certain additional, mystical, properties to it, whom I shall call irrational pantheists" - I agree with lexcorpninja. Those who attribute mystical properties to "all that is" are more likely panentheists than pantheists. They mysterian category would fit within panentheism as well. Panentheism is more a westernized form of monism than it is a western atheism.

I'm a panentheist and not a pantheist. But I would think the problem most rational pantheists might have with interchanging atheist for pantheist is that technically, the term atheism stands against theism thereby indirectly giving power to theism (belief in a God "out there"). A-theism simply means against belief in a God "out there". If you believe all is God and there is nothing beyond all that we experience, the term "atheist" fits but I think many pantheists feel it is more powerful to define one's stance as "for" rather than "against".
I'm sorry, but I think that the use of "rational" in the quote coms close to being a rhetorical trick, or at least indicative of a misplaced and unrecognized faith in the bounds of pure knowledge.

Goödel teaches us that any mathematical system as complicated as arithmetic must contain truths that are unprovable. Logic can show us the consequences of our assumptions but it cannot free us from the need to make some assumptions, to take some unprovable statements as truths. Thermodynamics teaches us that in any system that is not closed there are sources of energy outside the system and physics offers us at most one closed system—the universe.

If we believe that the physical world is accurately described by mathematical and logical systems, it is not unreasonable to infer that like one of Gödel's mathematical systems, the universe is open, and that the number of closed systems doomed to heat death by the three laws is actually zero. Many other modern disciplines, such as quantum with its uncertainty principle, and Chaos Theory also hint at the existence of the essentially unprovable, at sources of value, energy, information, truth outside the most complete possible system.

None of this proves, in fact it declares itself that it cannot prove, that there is such a source of truth, motion, or value, but it does all point in the direction of Aristotle's Uncaused Cause or Unmoved Mover. And if it does merely hint and not prove, it also rejects disproof. And so, such reasoning demonstrates that it is not at all irrational or unreasonable to believe in the Uncaused Cause, the Unmoved Mover, which philosophers for thousands of years have called "God".

Belief in the Uncaused Cause, and calling God is not irrational, and need not depend solely on mysticism. It is, I would argue quite reasonable, and I would suggest in keeping with aesthetic principles, and of course science itself is a discipline that rests not merely on either pure reason, or empirical facts, but on aesthetics as well. Occam's famous razor is at its heart, the embodiment of an aesthetic judgment or principle, that simplicity is better than complexity. And having recognized that science rests on a foundation of aesthetics as well, we are well advised to apply our aesthetics as carefully as our logic.

Don't mind me. As a philosopher by training, I tend to be rather invested in those parts of philosophy that I've spent a lot of time with.

Brons

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